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the comment about, this is not chuck hagel's war, what john mccain said, john mccain clearly is coming from a different time in terms of the military and military action. if we look of the history books, we need to stop taking advice from these guys who were in the military and start looking at people who actually have served as opposed to the couch starker's -- talkers. host: can i ask you to review the relationship and how it has evolved between john mccain and chuck hagel? they came in both veterans of the vietnam war, both friends, yet their relationship evolved and there is some question as to whether or not john mccain will support chuck hagel. guest: it has evolved. there was a natural affinity between them because of their service in vietnam. knowing senator mccain the way i do, i do not know senator hagel, he has always been somebody who reaches out to a variety of different folks. he has an immense number of friends on the other side of the aisle. he is a very personable person. i do think over time, the differences between the two senators about iraq, afghanistan, and other
the comment about, this is not chuck hagel's war, what john mccain said, john mccain clearly is coming from a different time in terms of the military and military action. if we look of the history books, we need to stop taking advice from these guys who were in the military and start looking at people who actually have served as opposed to the couch starker's -- talkers. host: can i ask you to review the relationship and how it has evolved between john mccain and chuck hagel? they came in both...
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on john mccain, chuck hagel one of four republican senators that endorsed john mccain when he was running against george w. bush in the 2000 primary and it was tested in the 2008 campaign and strained because of what chuck hagel did in that campaign but i think the odds are that if the president sticks with this nomination and there's ever reason to think he will, that the democratic concerns are likely to melt away substantially and there will be a big chunk of republicans that vote against him but not likely enough to derail the nomination. >> thank you very much. happy new year. >> happy new year. >> after the nomination of hagel, ben cardi inform of maryland issued a statement saying, in part, quote, i have concerns based on positions he's taken and statements he has taken on a variety of topics. thank you for joining us, sir. >> nice to be with you, tamron. >> we have heard senator john mccain and the republican party having serious concerns but here you are a democrat and tammy baldwin a new member of the senate, also, expressing some concerns but do you believe that in the end chuc
on john mccain, chuck hagel one of four republican senators that endorsed john mccain when he was running against george w. bush in the 2000 primary and it was tested in the 2008 campaign and strained because of what chuck hagel did in that campaign but i think the odds are that if the president sticks with this nomination and there's ever reason to think he will, that the democratic concerns are likely to melt away substantially and there will be a big chunk of republicans that vote against...
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john mccain is a true national hero, so is chuck hagel. i have been at dinners, i was the emcee at the nixon dinner paying tribute to john kyl. john mccain did the opening. this is not a war between people. we often over-emphasize these questions of division. these are real debates. this is why we are here. this is why we have the capital behind us for these major discussions. i think it was a problem for chuck hagel because he demonstrated independence of thought and questioning that was vital for the country. host: i want to go back to something you said and frame it in terms of what the president said. about and afghanistan, saying iraq was a war of choice. afghanistan was a war of necessity and iraq was a war of choice. was iraq necessary? and if so, why? what did we accomplish? guest: we have not accomplished much. host: so was it worth it? guest: it depends on a lot of factors that are out of my control. terrible tyrant to his people there is no question we're better off with him gone. then the question is how we implemented doing th
john mccain is a true national hero, so is chuck hagel. i have been at dinners, i was the emcee at the nixon dinner paying tribute to john kyl. john mccain did the opening. this is not a war between people. we often over-emphasize these questions of division. these are real debates. this is why we are here. this is why we have the capital behind us for these major discussions. i think it was a problem for chuck hagel because he demonstrated independence of thought and questioning that was vital...
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guest: i applaud with john mccain said about interrogation. he has been saying for ever that torture does not work and he should know. he was in the hanoi hilton for so long and tortured by north vietnam during the war. he is right, in my view. i did serve on the intelligence committee for eight years. i was there in the 1990's and came back and was a ranking member. i think we should look at interrogation policies and look at detention policies and we should look at drone policies. before this nomination, john brennan asked to come to the wilson center which i now head, he asked to comment talk about the legal framework around drone policy. it should not be our foreign policy. it is a tool but many of our tools should be developed through prom -- diplomacy and soft power and john brennan understands this. one thing i hope he will do after he is confirmed, and i predict he will be, is take a fresh look at the cia mission, reduce the paramilitary part of that mission, that should be offloaded mostly to the pentagon with the exception of an inte
guest: i applaud with john mccain said about interrogation. he has been saying for ever that torture does not work and he should know. he was in the hanoi hilton for so long and tortured by north vietnam during the war. he is right, in my view. i did serve on the intelligence committee for eight years. i was there in the 1990's and came back and was a ranking member. i think we should look at interrogation policies and look at detention policies and we should look at drone policies. before this...
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mccain, which could foretell what we may hear from john mccain. we haven't heard really very much from him about chuck hagel in this context. we have certainly heard from lindsey graham, and we'll hear from john cornyn coming up on this program who has been fiercely critical. >> i would say andrea two people to watch. you've got one. mccain absolutely because he was someone that was close to chuck hagel. kind of the reform-minded republicans. they clearly broke, parted ways on iraq. i do think that chuck hagel, politics does always matter. i think the fact that chuck hagel full throatedly endorsed bob kerry in nebraska in 2012 will not sit well with other republicans. i think the other senator we need to watch, which this is chuck schumer, the new york democrat, very powerful form heard of the senatorial campaign committee, you know, widely seen as probably the next leader of the democrats and the senate. who was skeptical about the idea of a hagel pick, in part, because of his past statements on israel. schumer, i assume, will get in line. though
mccain, which could foretell what we may hear from john mccain. we haven't heard really very much from him about chuck hagel in this context. we have certainly heard from lindsey graham, and we'll hear from john cornyn coming up on this program who has been fiercely critical. >> i would say andrea two people to watch. you've got one. mccain absolutely because he was someone that was close to chuck hagel. kind of the reform-minded republicans. they clearly broke, parted ways on iraq. i do...
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i don't think john mccain and knows what he will do. i think the hearings for chuck hagel and the vetting process in congress and the media will have a big impact on the final results. host: we are asking our viewers this morning to tell us what they think are the foreign policy challenges in 2013. if chuck hagel were to get that spot, what does he face? guest: he will face a range of foreign policy challenges. it is almost unprecedented -- we are talking about a military that is tired and worn out after 10 years of war, facing fiscal challenges, and austerity that is unprecedented in american politics which brings pressure on all the budget that secretary hagel have to be in charge of. we're talking of instability in the middle east and north africa which is getting worse and worse including libya and egypt and syria and pakistan. we are talking about a world that is changing and is less responsive to u.s. pressure and u.s. military power and diplomacy. that changes something that chuck hagel is aware of and he has well-formed views on
i don't think john mccain and knows what he will do. i think the hearings for chuck hagel and the vetting process in congress and the media will have a big impact on the final results. host: we are asking our viewers this morning to tell us what they think are the foreign policy challenges in 2013. if chuck hagel were to get that spot, what does he face? guest: he will face a range of foreign policy challenges. it is almost unprecedented -- we are talking about a military that is tired and worn...
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mccain will end up voting for chuck hagel? >> i don't know if he will or won't, but i know when i believe that chuck hagel will probably be confirmed and that they will find a way back to a friendship or at least a good relationship. >> because of the vietnam experience. >> i think that most people disagree. i believe that chuck shum schumer will vote for chuck hagel. >> let's just point out that we were -- when you see a picture of the east room of the white house, the press corps awaiting, right now hamid karzai and president obama are having lunch, and when they come out, we were told it would be at 1:15. if they come out, they will each make statements and answer questions. clearly the president is also going to be asked about domestic issues. i would suspect guns given that that is one of the prime issues that the white house is dealing with right now as joe biden continues meetings on the gun issue today. chris alissa, when we talk about president obama and what he is facing in changing his team, when david gregory asked
mccain will end up voting for chuck hagel? >> i don't know if he will or won't, but i know when i believe that chuck hagel will probably be confirmed and that they will find a way back to a friendship or at least a good relationship. >> because of the vietnam experience. >> i think that most people disagree. i believe that chuck shum schumer will vote for chuck hagel. >> let's just point out that we were -- when you see a picture of the east room of the white house, the...
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and you know, again, it's -- if it's john mccain going up against chuck hagel, you know, i think john mccain has the market cornered on bluntness. i hardly think -- i hardly think that he's going to be offendsed other than for theater. >> 100% certain he'll be confirmed? >> i don't, i don't think -- when you don't have a natural constituency and republicans look at someone who they've abandoned, there's always an open question, but i think if he goes in and does what people who know him know he can do, democrats will come around and i think he'll even get republican votes. >> joe lockhart, good to see you. >> in 2011 he says he thinks the pentagon is bloated or was in favor of an 80% reduction in u.s. nuclear weapons. other than that, this is not somebody who offered a lot of specifics. is that where the real battle is going to be fought? >> sure. as the paper also reports, the president and congress have ordered $500 billion of cuts from the pentagon over next ten years. where those cuts come from is going to be part -- where they are going to come from is going to be part of the bat
and you know, again, it's -- if it's john mccain going up against chuck hagel, you know, i think john mccain has the market cornered on bluntness. i hardly think -- i hardly think that he's going to be offendsed other than for theater. >> 100% certain he'll be confirmed? >> i don't, i don't think -- when you don't have a natural constituency and republicans look at someone who they've abandoned, there's always an open question, but i think if he goes in and does what people who know...
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john mccain clearly is coming from a different time. i think we are going to start looking at the history books -- we should start looking at people who have served as opposed to these couch talkers. host: can i take a step back and ask you about the relationship and how it has a vault between john mccain and chuck hagel? the bulls came in veterans of the vietnam war, both friends, and now the relationship has evolved. there is question as to whether john mccain support chuck hagel. guest: it has evolved. knowing senator mccain the way i do, he has always been somebody to reaches out to a variety of different folks. he has friends of the other side. i do think the differences between the two senators about barack and afghanistan and other issues -- about iraq and afghanistan and other issues -- all of those things have led to a divergence. the fact that they are no longer best buddies -- at the end of the day washington is about politics. there are opposed opinions to this key security measure. host: chuck hagel served as the chair of t
john mccain clearly is coming from a different time. i think we are going to start looking at the history books -- we should start looking at people who have served as opposed to these couch talkers. host: can i take a step back and ask you about the relationship and how it has a vault between john mccain and chuck hagel? the bulls came in veterans of the vietnam war, both friends, and now the relationship has evolved. there is question as to whether john mccain support chuck hagel. guest: it...
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other than from the predetermined one from john mccain? >> john mccain and lindsay graham and a few others may say it. very important to go back to the debt ceiling debate, we came to the edge of real financial crisis in this country. guess who was on jon stewart and stephen colbert, saying we are spending $120 billion in a country, and it's not good for america. grover norquist. this afghanistan war is not in their interest from a financial perspective from his work i think you really begin to see a quick collapse of conservative support. progressives and most independents already had a great deal of skepticism about afghanistan, but it's these debt issues that have really driven a real collapse, and there is a real support for iraq and afghanistan. anybody who supports an ongoing troop presence, and the mainstream to use, and lately that folks have tried to rile up chuck hagel. >> one last question briefly about chuck hagel. you and i talked about him before since he was nominated. what do you know about how things are going for senator
other than from the predetermined one from john mccain? >> john mccain and lindsay graham and a few others may say it. very important to go back to the debt ceiling debate, we came to the edge of real financial crisis in this country. guess who was on jon stewart and stephen colbert, saying we are spending $120 billion in a country, and it's not good for america. grover norquist. this afghanistan war is not in their interest from a financial perspective from his work i think you really...
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>> well, i think john mccain and lindsey graham and a few others may say it. but listen, very important to go back to the debt ceiling debate, which we came to the edge of real financial crisis in this country. guess who was on jon stewart and stephen colbert in saying we're spending $120 billion in a country with $14 billion of gdp and it's not good for america. grover norquist. grover norquist was out educating conservatives that this afghanistan war was not in their interests from a financial perspective. forget the strategic questions. and from his work, i think, you really begin to see a quick collapse of conservative support. progressives and i think most independents already had a great deal of skepticism about afghanistan. but it has been these debt issues that have really driven a real collapse of interest and support for afghanistan. so anyone that comes and radically supports an ongoing troop presence in afghanistan is going to look very, very much out of the mainstream to use some of the comments lately that folks have tried to rile up about chuck
>> well, i think john mccain and lindsey graham and a few others may say it. but listen, very important to go back to the debt ceiling debate, which we came to the edge of real financial crisis in this country. guess who was on jon stewart and stephen colbert in saying we're spending $120 billion in a country with $14 billion of gdp and it's not good for america. grover norquist. grover norquist was out educating conservatives that this afghanistan war was not in their interests from a...
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. >> john mccain still has questions about what role brennan played in enhanced interrogation and why he publicly seemed to support it and he intends to ask those questions. mccain a long time critic of water boarding. >> bret: thank you. the president's pick to run the c.i.a. spent 25 years there. katherine tells us john brennan may face a contentious battle. >> to his controversial statements that the c.i.a. interrogation program brennan himself acknowledged. >> i told the presidential today i'm the president's assistant on counterterrorism. i told him that i will do better and we will do better as a time teem. >> they accuse the obama administration of negligence the underwear bomber was read his miranda rights and lawyered up hours after. they say intelligence was lost for good. we need no lecture. writing quote, politically motivated criticism only serves the goals of al-qaeda, the notion that america's system of justice are unable to handle these murderous... >> he was describing water boarding as inconsistent with american values in a november 2007 interview, brennan also told
. >> john mccain still has questions about what role brennan played in enhanced interrogation and why he publicly seemed to support it and he intends to ask those questions. mccain a long time critic of water boarding. >> bret: thank you. the president's pick to run the c.i.a. spent 25 years there. katherine tells us john brennan may face a contentious battle. >> to his controversial statements that the c.i.a. interrogation program brennan himself acknowledged. >> i told...
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and they quietly say we line up behind john mccain. i think john mccain is critical here, but there's no doubt that mitch mcconnell has to understand that crossing a war hero who saved his brother's life, who is in the mainstream far more so than lindsey graham, in the mainstream of u.s. foreign policy, you know, it's going to be a hard guy for mitch mcconnell to vote against. >> as john points out, mcconnell gushed over chuck hagel when he left the senate. on the floor of the senate, he gave a speech that went on and on about chuck hagel. let's be clear, a lot of this is about israel. you heard lindsey graham say it. john mccain has said it as well. they think chuck hagel will be too soft on iran. he suggested maybe that there should be negotiations with hamas, something that people like lindsey graham reject out of hand. that's a big piece of all this. >> if they stop him, it will be on israel and iran. that's, i think, the only issue that potentially stops him. >> remember, he's the secretary of defense. the president's policies are
and they quietly say we line up behind john mccain. i think john mccain is critical here, but there's no doubt that mitch mcconnell has to understand that crossing a war hero who saved his brother's life, who is in the mainstream far more so than lindsey graham, in the mainstream of u.s. foreign policy, you know, it's going to be a hard guy for mitch mcconnell to vote against. >> as john points out, mcconnell gushed over chuck hagel when he left the senate. on the floor of the senate, he...
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john mccain is a war hero. everybody can say whatever they want about chuck hagel but he's awful for the job and i hope he does not get confirmed. c-span is to answer republicans when they call. host: we are trying to take a number of calls. we have all three lines open. you can see the numbers on your screen. we will try again to get alton on the independent line. let's go on and to carl in chicago, a democrat line. caller: i have done research on both of the gentlemen. hagel been a republican, i think the president is doing what he is doing, reaching across both sides of the aisle. it seems the opposition to chuck hagel it is the same group of naysayers like senator gramm and the rest of them that are immediately passing them before they have a chance. john brennan would make an excellent cia director. he has the credentials. he has the strength. even though chuck hagel's role is going to be a bumpy one, i believe it will be confirmed with this 113 congress. the president is appointing a republican to this po
john mccain is a war hero. everybody can say whatever they want about chuck hagel but he's awful for the job and i hope he does not get confirmed. c-span is to answer republicans when they call. host: we are trying to take a number of calls. we have all three lines open. you can see the numbers on your screen. we will try again to get alton on the independent line. let's go on and to carl in chicago, a democrat line. caller: i have done research on both of the gentlemen. hagel been a...
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. >> one of the really key figures in this nomination, john mccain of arizona, an old friend of chuck hagel released a statement saying, "i have serious concerns about positions senator hagel has taken on a range of critical national security issues in recent years." there also appear to be reservations on the democratic side as well. members of that party are stopping short in some cases of offering hagel a full throated endorsement. some democrats have already backed them. senator chuck schumer of new york released a statement of his own reading in part, "chuck hagel has earned the right to nothing less than a full and fair process in the senate. i look forward to fully studying his report and exploring his views." at the white house yesterday, hagel didn't address the controversy shoundiurrounding h nomination. >> mr. president, i'm grateful for this opportunity to serve our country again. and especially its men and women in uniform and their families. these are people who give so much to this nation every day with such dignity and selflessness. i'll always do my best. i doll my be
. >> one of the really key figures in this nomination, john mccain of arizona, an old friend of chuck hagel released a statement saying, "i have serious concerns about positions senator hagel has taken on a range of critical national security issues in recent years." there also appear to be reservations on the democratic side as well. members of that party are stopping short in some cases of offering hagel a full throated endorsement. some democrats have already backed them....
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only four members of the united states senate, john mccain being the fouferment i mean so what you have in kerry and hagel are two men who have seen war up front and up close, and who have become far more reluctant to deploy americans. they don't talk in the ancient language of swagger how we are going to go in and kick some tail, or anything of the sort like so many of the noncombatants do. so i think that hagel, i think brennan will bring up a discussion. we'll find out how lib ralts, in fact, they really do care about the use of drones in this administration. the seems to have given a pass to president obama, used drones more than president bush ever did and i think the republicans will use it to discuss benghazi but i think will confirmed as well. >> woodruff: both of them. you were talking about a group of loners. what are these choices and what we know so far about the president's white house staff and cabinet say about the president, david. >> it's not exactly great copy for us. they are not the most exciting group, necessarily. they are a group that has, are people of integrity,
only four members of the united states senate, john mccain being the fouferment i mean so what you have in kerry and hagel are two men who have seen war up front and up close, and who have become far more reluctant to deploy americans. they don't talk in the ancient language of swagger how we are going to go in and kick some tail, or anything of the sort like so many of the noncombatants do. so i think that hagel, i think brennan will bring up a discussion. we'll find out how lib ralts, in...
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mccain's lead on most things. >> it's worse that we don't know where john mccain is on this. >> he has been such a follower on so many issues so far that i -- him saying that, you know, this is a guy who is running the atlantic council and that's out of the mainstream. i think there's a little -- a credibility check. the challenge, i think, for the administration is going to be that this nomination means they're going to have to do work on both the democratic and the republican side, and, you know, usually when you are a democratic president, it's who are the key men who have worked on these nominations. who are the key republican senators? we're going to have to go and see, and in this case they're going to have to do real work on both sides. the other thing that was surprising was they let this nomination hang out there so long to the point that these narratives started -- about the jewish lobby and the gay community and sort of, you know, the republicans. i mean, it's been hanging out there for several weeks, so that also means they're going to have to do a lot of work to really tur
mccain's lead on most things. >> it's worse that we don't know where john mccain is on this. >> he has been such a follower on so many issues so far that i -- him saying that, you know, this is a guy who is running the atlantic council and that's out of the mainstream. i think there's a little -- a credibility check. the challenge, i think, for the administration is going to be that this nomination means they're going to have to do work on both the democratic and the republican...
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i would also point out, wolf, that john mccain is on the same side as the liberal civil rights group the aclu in this. they are raising the same kinds of questions. even though in the past, brennan has said that he opposes these enhanced interrogation techniques. >> we'll watch these confirmation hearings every step of the way. >> should be interesting, both of them. >> low flying helicopters have people in some of the country's biggest cities asking questions. the answers have to do with preparations for a possible terrorist attack. using radioactive dirty bombs. >>> plus, before we get to that, we have some new details emerging about the colorado theater shootings, including the suspect's strange behavior once he was caught. uncer ] when was the last time something made your jaw drop? campbell's has 24 new soups that will make it drop over, and over again. ♪ from jammin' jerk chicken, to creamy gouda bisque. see what's new from campbell's. it's amazing what soup can do. to help protect your eye health as you age... would you take it? well, there is. [ male announcer ] it's called
i would also point out, wolf, that john mccain is on the same side as the liberal civil rights group the aclu in this. they are raising the same kinds of questions. even though in the past, brennan has said that he opposes these enhanced interrogation techniques. >> we'll watch these confirmation hearings every step of the way. >> should be interesting, both of them. >> low flying helicopters have people in some of the country's biggest cities asking questions. the answers...
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i'll ask john mccain. and a lottery winner poisoned with sigh nycyanide. and the terrifying end to a hot air balloon ride this wedding party will never forget. i'm wolf blitzer. you're in "the situation room." >>> the push for new gun laws in the wake of the connecticut school shooting has a powerful new voice, the congresswoman gabriel giffords. she was gravely wounded in a mass shooting exactly two years ago today. lisa sylvester is here with more on what's going on. >> leaders from both the private and public sectors are starting to offer specific proposals on gun controls. both sides aware of how sense y sensitive this issue has become. and the leading voice comes from someone with political and personal experience that is sure to command attention here in washington. on the two-year anniversary of the tucson shooting and a week after a visiting to newtown, gabby giffords wants to send a wake-up call to washington when it comes to gun violence. >> when it can happen to children in a classroom, it's time to say -- >> enough. >> reporter: giffords and he
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. >> what do you say to john mccain who survived five years of torture in the hanoi hilton and others who are very tough on defense but argue that it's really important for the protection of our troops that we not cross this line, that we have to be who we are because we are giving our enemies a weapon to use against our own if they're captured? >> right. let me be clear. one thing to agree 100% on with senator mccain is the notion that torture is wrong. torture is detrimental to our troops. but again, i was speaking personally about how intellectually and personally i understand the arguments and they're right but on a deep down emotional level, when confronted with the news that osama bin laden had been killed, when the nation was going through the conversation about what role did torture play in getting information that led to his capture and killing, and my thinking, being in this morally conflicted space of thinking, well, you know what? i really don't care what it -- what the government had to do to get to this point. but again, i want to reiterate that i don't want to be put in
. >> what do you say to john mccain who survived five years of torture in the hanoi hilton and others who are very tough on defense but argue that it's really important for the protection of our troops that we not cross this line, that we have to be who we are because we are giving our enemies a weapon to use against our own if they're captured? >> right. let me be clear. one thing to agree 100% on with senator mccain is the notion that torture is wrong. torture is detrimental to...
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john mccain, lindsey graham. they were the original band of mavericks. not only did they say nice things when he was leaving that. >> went out on the campaign trail together. if they think he is a turncoat, what do they think joe lieberman is? it's a joke. they lost their minds over susan rice. they're doing it again. >> here is more from senator lindsey graham. i want to display this. >> i'll have a hard time voting for anybody to be secretary of defense who believes that the surge was a foreign policy blunder. i'll have a hard time supporting anybody for secretary of defense who believes that the iranians are misunderstood, we should just negotiate with them, not sanction them. >> they're really focusing in on some of the things that he has said in the past, including a guy slur over a decade ago. do these things matter in confirmation? >> first of all, lindsey graham is treated with a lot of respect as some kind of national security expert. but it is quite possible to be pro-israeli and also not for a rush to war with iran. it is not incompatible. in
john mccain, lindsey graham. they were the original band of mavericks. not only did they say nice things when he was leaving that. >> went out on the campaign trail together. if they think he is a turncoat, what do they think joe lieberman is? it's a joke. they lost their minds over susan rice. they're doing it again. >> here is more from senator lindsey graham. i want to display this. >> i'll have a hard time voting for anybody to be secretary of defense who believes that the...
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john mccain has been a politician drought his career driven by personal grudges -- >> like susan rice? >> yes. that was another case part of what was driving him. in this case, i do think part of what he would say, if he were here, back to the policy point, there's no greater champion of the iraq war and surge and everything that happened after that than john mccain was and no greater critic of that than republican chuck hagel. he would make the case it is not just a personal thing although i believe part of it is personal and this element they do have very different world views now. >> which is why the confirmation hearing and his answers will be that much more critical than earlier. >> they also, as you mentioned, harold, reservations from democrats with members of the party stopping short of offering hagel a full throated endorsement. senator chuck schumer of new york released a statement reading in part quote chuck hagel has earned the right to nothing less than a full and fair process in the senate. i look forward to fully studying his record and exploring his views. at the white
john mccain has been a politician drought his career driven by personal grudges -- >> like susan rice? >> yes. that was another case part of what was driving him. in this case, i do think part of what he would say, if he were here, back to the policy point, there's no greater champion of the iraq war and surge and everything that happened after that than john mccain was and no greater critic of that than republican chuck hagel. he would make the case it is not just a personal thing...
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mccain in 2008. he stressed independence from the jewish lobby. critics biggest concern is whether he is tough enough on iran. >> secretary panetta, the current secretary of defense said there is a red line there over which we will not allow iran to cross. the president had different times has said the same thing. chuck hagel has said previously that he doesn't believe that we ought to keep all options on the table when it comes to an iranian nuclear threat. >> the white house says hagel has been strongly supportive of israel's security. they say his views are insync with the president. as you alluded hagel apologized for calling a u.s. dip openly aggressively gay 14 years ago. shepard? >> shepard: much less opposition to john brennan's nomination, correct? >> there do seem to be fewer concerns but that doesn't mean less concerns. 25 years at the cia before becoming the president's counter terrorism advisor. he was considered for the cia post in 2008 but withdrew his name because he didn't want the c
mccain in 2008. he stressed independence from the jewish lobby. critics biggest concern is whether he is tough enough on iran. >> secretary panetta, the current secretary of defense said there is a red line there over which we will not allow iran to cross. the president had different times has said the same thing. chuck hagel has said previously that he doesn't believe that we ought to keep all options on the table when it comes to an iranian nuclear threat. >> the white house says...
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there was this notion -- they released this story -- that john mccain was having a relationship with a woman. they had heard in a very sexually provocative dress on the on-line edition, and a dress her up for the next one. this woman was a kind of lobbyist, but there was nothing in there that never proved that mccain was compromised. if mccain had a relationship with this woman, it was between him and his wife, and there was nothing -- he had not touched on anything that was politically important. they sort of backed away from that. it just lowered the temperature, again, of what we might call their bodily communication wait -- weight. there are other cases, the duke across scandal was another embarrassment. -- lacrosse scandal was another embarrassment. they did not cover themselves in glory, but the woman who claimed to be rich was not raped. it goes on like this. they also had a story about why caroline kennedy did not get the nomination, and that is when they also mentioned that she did not pay her taxes or something, but nobody put any records down a unattributed sources to back
there was this notion -- they released this story -- that john mccain was having a relationship with a woman. they had heard in a very sexually provocative dress on the on-line edition, and a dress her up for the next one. this woman was a kind of lobbyist, but there was nothing in there that never proved that mccain was compromised. if mccain had a relationship with this woman, it was between him and his wife, and there was nothing -- he had not touched on anything that was politically...
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. >> senator john mccain is one. he says that he wants to take a closer look at the interrogations policies under the bush administration. including john brennan's involvement in them. >> guest: i applaud him. he has been saying forever for so long as to why this is important. and he is right, in my view. i think we should look at interrogation policies and drone policies and john brennan before this nomination. he asked to talk about the legal framework around the policy. drones are tool and a lot of our foreign policy needs to be defense. and one of the things i hope you will do is take a fresh look at the paramilitary part of the mission that should be with the pentagon, which has an exception of intelligence. the rest should be the more traditional aspects. and he understands that because he was there for 25 years. i'm talking about him as the principal part of the military function of the cia and having a huge role. it follows very careful, legal steps. i disagree with portions of it, but what i am saying is tha
. >> senator john mccain is one. he says that he wants to take a closer look at the interrogations policies under the bush administration. including john brennan's involvement in them. >> guest: i applaud him. he has been saying forever for so long as to why this is important. and he is right, in my view. i think we should look at interrogation policies and drone policies and john brennan before this nomination. he asked to talk about the legal framework around the policy. drones...
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john mccain is a verylose friend of mine. there's no one i admire more than john mccain. we think alike on many things. we are different too. i disagree with john. john disgrease with me on issues. but how all this plays out over the next two years, i don't know. but regardless of how it plays out he will always be a good friend and i will always be a great admirer of his and i'm grateful for his service to our country. >> can you see yourself running, if he runs, will that impede you from running if he says i'm going again? >> well, brian, i think in this business, or any major decision one makes in your life, that decision has to come from you first. it's got toome from you, the considerations, or your family or other personal issues. then you start working through the more external conditions. you know in this business that if you run for president there will be many very qualified candidates out there, some will be good friends, i suspect. you know that. and you factor that in. and you're not unmindful of that kind of competition. and that kind of competition is good
john mccain is a verylose friend of mine. there's no one i admire more than john mccain. we think alike on many things. we are different too. i disagree with john. john disgrease with me on issues. but how all this plays out over the next two years, i don't know. but regardless of how it plays out he will always be a good friend and i will always be a great admirer of his and i'm grateful for his service to our country. >> can you see yourself running, if he runs, will that impede you...
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the question i'm looking at is, will john mccain in the end vote "aye for his old friend and will democrats bail because of his questions about support for israel? >> well, and also that he's a republican. john, that brings me to you. it is not the first time we had cross-party secretaries. in fact, it happens all the time especially in defense, too. but why in particular do you think the president wants this particular man as his sec def? this particular republican. >> comfort zone. less worried about the politics and want someone with whom you're personally comfortable with. you mentioned it's not terribly unusual. become had a republican at the defense department. barack obama kept bob gates, president bush's defense secretary for continuity there because of iraq and afghanistan. now he's in the second term. he's less worried about the politics. he's prepared to have a fight, a fight not only with republicans but with some democrats. a bit of a controversy. we thought on the susan rice nomination for secretary of state. he pulled the name back. the president signaling i want my team. i w
the question i'm looking at is, will john mccain in the end vote "aye for his old friend and will democrats bail because of his questions about support for israel? >> well, and also that he's a republican. john, that brings me to you. it is not the first time we had cross-party secretaries. in fact, it happens all the time especially in defense, too. but why in particular do you think the president wants this particular man as his sec def? this particular republican. >> comfort...
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john kerry, a democrat. bob kerrey, a democrat. chuck hagel, john mccain. a group of vietnam veterans back in the bush administration who were more, i would say, in the colin powell wing of the republican party. war is a last resort. if you do have war, use overwhelming force. and then the neo con movement came in. you will have philosophical arguments over america in the world and the use of force. >> as john just points out, these two men were great buddies once upon a time. >> both vietnam veterans. >> both vietnam vets, decorated heroes and they were really close. then they started splitting over the questions of the use of force. then they split, of course, when barack obama ran for president. chuck hagel's wife endorsed barack obama when he was a candidate. chuck hagel stopped short of it. lots of republicans don't believe hague sl a republican, by the way. mitch mcconnell, leader of the republicans in the senate yesterday hold his fire, as jim was pointing out, hold his fire. didn't come out against the nominati nomination. everybody has their own po
john kerry, a democrat. bob kerrey, a democrat. chuck hagel, john mccain. a group of vietnam veterans back in the bush administration who were more, i would say, in the colin powell wing of the republican party. war is a last resort. if you do have war, use overwhelming force. and then the neo con movement came in. you will have philosophical arguments over america in the world and the use of force. >> as john just points out, these two men were great buddies once upon a time. >>...
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. >> it's interesting senator john mccain and andrea mitchell my colleague in the prior hour pointed out earlier today many watching to see what his response would be and lindsey graham's hard line against chuck hagel. senator mccain's statement says chuck hagel served our nation with honor in vietnam and congratulate him on the nomination. i have serious concerns about positions he has taken on a range of national security issues and senator mccain will be at the table. we have colin powell who's come out in support of the nam nation saying he's proud of the record and the words may matter but he won't be there in that nomination process. what do you think will play out here the most? >> i think it's obvious people against the nomination focusing on three things, the budget fight which i think hagel is valuable because he says things that people think and don't say with taboo subjects. the budget is out of control and needs to be reeled in and looking at the record on iran for which he's described as outside the mainstream and i think there's -- if you poll the american people, nobo
. >> it's interesting senator john mccain and andrea mitchell my colleague in the prior hour pointed out earlier today many watching to see what his response would be and lindsey graham's hard line against chuck hagel. senator mccain's statement says chuck hagel served our nation with honor in vietnam and congratulate him on the nomination. i have serious concerns about positions he has taken on a range of national security issues and senator mccain will be at the table. we have colin...
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would john mccain have actually nominated him? >> he doesn't have to nominate him now. he has to figure out which side he stands on. >> there's an important point in history right now where we have to make sure we are very serious with iran. if anybody is out there weakening our position with them, it is incredibly dangerous, and i think it's legitimate for senator mccain or anybody to say, wait a minute. he's an appeaser. does that advance our cause, or does it weaken our cause? so regardless of a blanket -- >> what does serious mean? does serious mean war, or does serious mean we have to take that situation seriously and figure out how we deal with it? >> if i may interrupt, sir, because i can cede the time back to me, if you will. >> thank you, soled da. >> i feel strong. >> i feel that you feel strongly. we'll have to wait and see. they haven't even named the guy yet. give it a moment, will you? thank you. we appreciate it. politics to the macks, which, by the way, i love that title so much. >> it's a show. >> it's a little mini show right here. someone is going to
would john mccain have actually nominated him? >> he doesn't have to nominate him now. he has to figure out which side he stands on. >> there's an important point in history right now where we have to make sure we are very serious with iran. if anybody is out there weakening our position with them, it is incredibly dangerous, and i think it's legitimate for senator mccain or anybody to say, wait a minute. he's an appeaser. does that advance our cause, or does it weaken our cause? so...
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. >> that message may be aimed at potential critics, like another vietnam veteran, senator john mccain who hagel split with over the troop surge in iraq. who responded to hagel's nomination saying, "i have serious concerns about positions senator hagel has taken on a range of critical national security issues and here's the most important part of that quote, "in recent years." he is aware of the quotes he said about hagel six or seven years ago. they've got five purple hearts between them. that's the kind of people we want withdrawing from afghanistan and ending this insane war. i see them as the perfect dynamic duo. batman and robin, salt and pepper, tom and jerry. they have both been shot at and hit. like the hagual pick nominating john brennan signal to opponents of the light footprint strategy which relies on technology and holds war as a last resort when president obama is looking for cover to draw down the u.s. presence in afghanistan and around the world. brennan has been the chief defender of this expanded drone policy. arguing in april that drone strikes against al qaeda are "
. >> that message may be aimed at potential critics, like another vietnam veteran, senator john mccain who hagel split with over the troop surge in iraq. who responded to hagel's nomination saying, "i have serious concerns about positions senator hagel has taken on a range of critical national security issues and here's the most important part of that quote, "in recent years." he is aware of the quotes he said about hagel six or seven years ago. they've got five purple...
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she and senator john mccain and senator graham and myself, senator casey... >> i have respect for richard on these issues. >> members of the armed services committee we'll continue to work together, because there is no republican or democrat approach to national security. it ought to be one approach. >> chris: we have to leave it there, senators, we want to thank you both. thanks for coming in today. always good to talk with both of you. >> thank you, chris. >> chris: up next we'll ask our sunday group about the president's light footprint policy and the national security team he has chosen to make it work. ♪ 5-2550 investors want. tdd#: 1-800-345-2550 like no atm fees, worldwide. tdd#: 1-800-345-2550 and no nuisance fees. tdd#: 1-800-345-2550 plus deposit checks with mobile deposit. tdd#: 1-800-345-2550 and manage your cash and investments tdd#: 1-800-345-2550 with schwab's mobile app. tdd#: 1-800-345-2550 no wonder schwab bank has grown to over 70 billion in assets. tdd#: 1-800-345-2550 so if you're looking for a bank that's in your corner, tdd#: 1-800-345-2550 not just on the corner.
she and senator john mccain and senator graham and myself, senator casey... >> i have respect for richard on these issues. >> members of the armed services committee we'll continue to work together, because there is no republican or democrat approach to national security. it ought to be one approach. >> chris: we have to leave it there, senators, we want to thank you both. thanks for coming in today. always good to talk with both of you. >> thank you, chris. >>...
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. >> also new today, senator john mccain offering new insight into his concern about this nomination. >> what is his view of america's role in the world? whether he really believes that the surge was the worst blunder since the vietnam war. that clearly is not -- that's not correct. i mean, in fact, it's bizarre. why would he oppose calling the iranian revolutionary guard a terrorist organization? these are legitimate questions that need to be asked. i honor his service. we are friends. but i have an obligation to the men and women who are now serving in uniform. >> let's go now to nbc news white house correspondent peter alexander. so peter, with a good sunday to you, my friend. lots of reaction on the sunday talk shows on this hagel fight. has it reached a new level, and do you think this suggests it's going to be a bit tougher than the president envisioned to get him passed, get this nomination through? >> it's a good question. i had a conversation with a vrn administration official a short time ago, and he made it clear he was referring specifically to the gun control issue that t
. >> also new today, senator john mccain offering new insight into his concern about this nomination. >> what is his view of america's role in the world? whether he really believes that the surge was the worst blunder since the vietnam war. that clearly is not -- that's not correct. i mean, in fact, it's bizarre. why would he oppose calling the iranian revolutionary guard a terrorist organization? these are legitimate questions that need to be asked. i honor his service. we are...
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i have linked up with and i will be with john mccain introducing a bill that joe lieberman, our dear friend, has been championing for a long time putting a commission about mass violence together and bring experts from all different fields and you bring people such as myself that are nra members that have been sportsmen all our lives and look for a commonsense approach to how we change the culture of violence in america. >> are universal background checks common sense? >> all of these things need to be looked at, but if it's all on one piece of legislation and one piece of legislation only, then you get something that's much broader. if you just pinpoint, george, on one and say it's guns, whether it's the magazines or whatever, you're going to have a harder time getting through the political process we have right today. >> so are you saying no action until after this commission report? >> i'm saying that basically you have to have an all-in approach. right now i don't know if you have the professionals from the standpoint sitting down, people like myself who have been using guns all
i have linked up with and i will be with john mccain introducing a bill that joe lieberman, our dear friend, has been championing for a long time putting a commission about mass violence together and bring experts from all different fields and you bring people such as myself that are nra members that have been sportsmen all our lives and look for a commonsense approach to how we change the culture of violence in america. >> are universal background checks common sense? >> all of...
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. >> well, john mccain a fellow vietnam war vet, he released a statement after today's announcement saying, quote, chuck hagel served our nation with honor in vietnam, and i congratulate him on this nomination. i have serious concerns about the positions senator hagel has taken on a range of critical national security issues in recent years. you listen to some of this vitriol, it's like he's charles lindberg or something. i have been to israel so many times. you have doves in the community over there, you have moderates, people like perez who is almost godly in his love for peace. you got all kinds of people over there with different views. isn't the american secretary of defense allowed to have a particular view that's in the middle or slightly to the left or does it have to be bibi netanyahu to have -- >> if you go to tel aviv and look at the debate -- >> it's wide open. >> wide open. here it's much more -- >> if you're not for bibi, you're not considered pro-israel. >> chuck hagel is not a pacifist. number two, he's a war is last resort rather than war is first resort guy. i think that
. >> well, john mccain a fellow vietnam war vet, he released a statement after today's announcement saying, quote, chuck hagel served our nation with honor in vietnam, and i congratulate him on this nomination. i have serious concerns about the positions senator hagel has taken on a range of critical national security issues in recent years. you listen to some of this vitriol, it's like he's charles lindberg or something. i have been to israel so many times. you have doves in the...
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senator john mccain of arizona, someone who i personally have had the honor to interview back in washington since he was a congressman from the early '80s. welcome, senator. and our wonderful host, pete mackay. and finally, josef joffe. senator, i would like to start with you. the first panel yesterday was looking at this question of a new normal, and the united states' current light footprint strategy. i could literally feel you chomping at the bit as one of the panelists discussed what he saw as the u.s. role in the world being in such a state of flux now. but we are less willing than ever before to step up to try to solve the chaos in the world, especially when there's no pressing national interest. >> first of all, i think we have to as politicians understand what our constituents, what our citizens, what their priorities are and what their concerns are. our former chairman of the joint chiefs of staff made a comment that's been b often quoted, he said our greatest national security threat is our economy. and i think that that is absolutely true. when we have half the homes in my state
senator john mccain of arizona, someone who i personally have had the honor to interview back in washington since he was a congressman from the early '80s. welcome, senator. and our wonderful host, pete mackay. and finally, josef joffe. senator, i would like to start with you. the first panel yesterday was looking at this question of a new normal, and the united states' current light footprint strategy. i could literally feel you chomping at the bit as one of the panelists discussed what he saw...
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yet senator john mccain acknowledged that his skepticism about the nomination of his long time friend and ally has its roots, and why they've split since, has its roots in the fact that hagel split with mccain on the iraq surge. >> we both knew that we were losing the war in iraq. lindsey graham and i and joe lieberman and others said we need a surge. and the president somewhat reluctantly adopted the surge and it succeeded. senator hagel obviously said it couldn't. and he called it the biggest blunder since the vietnam war. that is a really gross misconception of america's role there and in the world. >> south carolina senator lindsey graham said he could put a hold on cia nominee john brennan's nomination until the white house addresses questions about benghazi again. quote -- i do not believe we should confirm anyone as director of the cia until our questions are answered, like who changed ambassador susan rice's talking points and deleted the references to al qaeda. my support for a delaying confirmation is not directed at mr. brennan but is an unfortunate yet necessary action to
yet senator john mccain acknowledged that his skepticism about the nomination of his long time friend and ally has its roots, and why they've split since, has its roots in the fact that hagel split with mccain on the iraq surge. >> we both knew that we were losing the war in iraq. lindsey graham and i and joe lieberman and others said we need a surge. and the president somewhat reluctantly adopted the surge and it succeeded. senator hagel obviously said it couldn't. and he called it the...
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john mccain and other conservatives say soft with the end of the iraq war and the president's comfortable with him and comfortable with the new cia chief. the president doesn't have to face re-election. this is the second term a different set of calculations and thinks he has work to do, diplomacy. they think they'll win in the end. >> i want to ask you about hagel's israel comments because he made some pretty pointed comments about israel and going to quote them. in one, hagel said, i'm not an israeli senator. and another, quote, the jewish lobby intimidates a lot of people up here. now, republicans are saying those comments are very controversial. are they? >> sure. some ways they're candid. you know the israeli government and the american jewish lobby is very powerful in washington. that's a simple fact of life and politics. he is saying it in a blunt, diplomatic way. but he's reflecting a powerful reality which is the israeli government has a lot of sway with american politics. because of the blunt language, he will have some explaining to do and what all nominees have to do. he has t
john mccain and other conservatives say soft with the end of the iraq war and the president's comfortable with him and comfortable with the new cia chief. the president doesn't have to face re-election. this is the second term a different set of calculations and thinks he has work to do, diplomacy. they think they'll win in the end. >> i want to ask you about hagel's israel comments because he made some pretty pointed comments about israel and going to quote them. in one, hagel said, i'm...
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mccain going after the player's union. so what do you think of the lance armstrong thing? lance armstrong, you really are going after the cop. and then it took some -- it actually, did, take some risk on the part of the institutional cycling to go after this icon. this guy who was the most successful athlete in his sport in history, a. and b, this amazing story of beating cancer and coming back and winning and, c, was a cultural phenomenon. if you look at 2004 campaign footage. john kerry, has a live strong lance armstrong yellow bracelet on his arm. there was a time when everybody you ran into in this country had i live strong bracelet on so for them to go back after him -- >> not to cut you we're in a age where nothing is heroic. tiger woods went down. lance armstrong is not a hero. baseball is a lie. and i mean, i think that for parents of kids who play sports, this whole spectacle has been even more depressing because, i just lived in florida which is a factory for little football players and no one talks about the inj
mccain going after the player's union. so what do you think of the lance armstrong thing? lance armstrong, you really are going after the cop. and then it took some -- it actually, did, take some risk on the part of the institutional cycling to go after this icon. this guy who was the most successful athlete in his sport in history, a. and b, this amazing story of beating cancer and coming back and winning and, c, was a cultural phenomenon. if you look at 2004 campaign footage. john kerry, has...
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john mccain saying he's going to have serious questions about where john brennan stood as far as those enhanced interrogation techniques were concerned dealing with detainees at guantanamo bay and elsewhere, the critics call it torture. you study this closely, peter. >> i think john brennan will be in an interesting situation when he goes to the confirmation hearing because on the one hand, there are plenty of people in the cia who would claim enhanced interrogation techniques are helpful in the war against al qaeda. and so if he says, well, they weren't, that is something that won't go down too well with some of his future colleagues at the agency assuming he's confirmed. on the other hand, you know, if he says that these techniques produced useful information, that may not go down very well with the senate intelligence committee, which after all has publicly said, senator dianne feinstein, the leader of the committee, saying the techniques have nothing to do with how osama bin laden was finally captured. so that's going to be a kind of fine line to kind of walk. and as fran townsend
john mccain saying he's going to have serious questions about where john brennan stood as far as those enhanced interrogation techniques were concerned dealing with detainees at guantanamo bay and elsewhere, the critics call it torture. you study this closely, peter. >> i think john brennan will be in an interesting situation when he goes to the confirmation hearing because on the one hand, there are plenty of people in the cia who would claim enhanced interrogation techniques are helpful...
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which is a first-class smear campaign by john mccain and lindsey graham. is it going to work? >> no. i don't think it's going to work. >> bill: it is despicable what they're doing. >> it is absolutely terrible. the whole thing what they did to susan rice also. >> bill: a month ago. >> unbelievable. it is not going to work. hagel has enough support. enough support among former ambassadors, former military people. both parties. former diplomats of both parties. there's going to be a substantial vote against him i think. by that, i mean 15 or 20. >> bill: republicans? >> yeah. i don't see any democrats going against him. we'll see. i don't know. they say schumer is going to send a big signal on the israel question. but i think chuck will be for him. >> bill: tough for republicans, i'm not disagreeing with you but still tough for them. here's a guy who is a war hero, who is a patriot, who is a republican. you know, who sort of -- if mitt romney nominated him, they would probably be saying -- hey one of our guys. >> of course they would. he's an -- as far as that type. >> bill: jac
which is a first-class smear campaign by john mccain and lindsey graham. is it going to work? >> no. i don't think it's going to work. >> bill: it is despicable what they're doing. >> it is absolutely terrible. the whole thing what they did to susan rice also. >> bill: a month ago. >> unbelievable. it is not going to work. hagel has enough support. enough support among former ambassadors, former military people. both parties. former diplomats of both parties....